Fisking A Comment On Voting Democrat

Here’s a litle fisking from a comment made by P.W. Dunn on voting democrat. My comments are in italics. Dunn’s aren’t:

Homosexuality is just one aspect of a culture war that divides liberals and conservatives, not just in the US, but elsewhere in the world. Americans who vote Republican are not stupid. While Canadians proudly think that socialized health care should be a major issue on the agenda, many Americans vote Republican because they realize that if the US adopted Canadian-style health care, then the many Canadians who cross the border for treatment will have no place to go.

Is this really the case as a whole? Most of the evidence for this seems anecdotal. Moreover, Canadian satisfaction with our system is quite high with people who want to change the system running in the single digits (a little different from Americans in this regard). And if we want to look at anecdotal evidence, consider this:

Critics should be reminded that the American system is not exactly instant-on, either. When I lived in California, I had excellent insurance, and got my care through one of the best university-based systems in the nation. Yet I routinely had to wait anywhere from six to twelve weeks to get in to see a specialist. Non-emergency surgical waits could be anywhere from four weeks to four months. After two years in the BC system, I’m finding the experience to be pretty much comparable, and often better. The notable exception is MRIs, which were easy in California, but can take many months to get here. (It’s the number one thing people go over the border for.) Other than that, urban Canadians get care about as fast as urban Americans do.” (Sara Robinson)

Economist Paul Krugman points out in The Conscience of a Liberal that when compared to Americans, the British do have to wait longer for discretionary surgery, but they find it easier to see a doctor, especially after hours or on short notice. The Germans and the French did not seem to have any significant wait times at all (Commonwealth Fund). I bring this up to show that even if there is a problem with wait times, it’s not necessarily because the government is paying for it. The Germans and French seem to do ok.

You may think I am just joking, but I’m not. My wife pays the payroll taxes for her company. Canadian health care is expensive and the lines are long. Since the Liberals are in power in Ontario, much less is covered. But I digress.

Canadian health care is expensive? Relative to what? Certainly not the U.S. System. Even though the U.S. health care system is ranked a paltry 37 in the world, Americans spend twice as much on health care as Canadians do. As of 2004, the World Health Organization has Americans spending $6102 per person while Canada spends $3165 and Britain $2508.

The irony is that with respect to cost, a privatized system is less efficient than a state sponsored system. There are serious structural problems with a privatized system. Insurance companies will avoid losing money by ‘risk selection’ – denying care to those who need it. They will also just look for ways not to pay. A massive amount of money is spent by insurance companies on this, and because of this, a correspondingly large amount of money is spent by doctors and hospitals fighting with insurance companies to get paid.

These costs don’t exist in a universal health care system. You can see this within the American system with Medicare. Medicare spends about 2% of its funds on administration while private insurers spend about 15%.

Who would have thought that a government program would be less bureaucratic than private enterprise?

“The poorest of all Americans,” Keith, are easily those who receive the most from the State, being kept in a situation of perpetual promiscuity, irresponsibility and dependence on government handouts; these poor people vote democrat if they vote. But those who vote Republican they are self-sufficient and by world standards, well-off. I say this because I compare them to my African friends who make $100 a month, if they have employment. These Americans do not believe that government-sponsored wealth redistribution, whether in the form of socialized health care or reform, is the key to their happiness.

Peter have you ever heard of blue states? Some of the richest Americans in the country vote Democrat. I just read an article where Warren Buffett talked about the importance of the rich paying taxes. And if you moan about your taxes, Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway accounts for something like 3.25% of all corporate tax revenue in the U.S.

Self sufficient? For how long? The market continually changes. Life does too. It’s a vapor that can’t be grasped or controlled (a la Ecclesiastes). You think you have a job one day and then poof, it’s gone. So, what happens to you in the States? Your coverage is lost. You’re screwed. Not so much in Canada.

Ironically, this creates more of an incentive for entrepreneurs in Canada. Although our taxes are about 10% higher all across the board, an entrepreneur in Canada doesn’t have to fret about losing his or her coverage if their business venture fails. Contrast this with the States where people who start businesses will often forgo coverage because all their money is sunk into their business. When disaster strikes their families are left helpless.

Thomas Frank views these people as stupid because they don’t vote Democrat. I find that to be an arrogant position. Maybe they just don’t believe that the Democrat party, the party of abortion and homosexual marriage, the party of socialism and income redistribution, the party of big government, is really what is in their best interest (did you notice that I mentioned quite a few issues, not just one or two– and there’s also national defense, which Dan calls the “militarist wing”, for which the Democrats are not deserving of our trust).

I have an idea. Why don’t we give the Democrats a chance to start their own war with no hope of leaving, exacerbate tensions in an already tense region, increase terror, help the national debt by adding billions to it everyday, and alienate allies? Maybe once they do all this (and more) they could gain the trust of the American people for conducting wars! 🙂

Conservatives in America are now pretty disgusted with the GOP. They have not represented conservative positions but pork-barrel politics, and now, well, John McCain is the Republican presidential candidate. Nevertheless, at the current time, the Republicans are in most cases the lesser of two evils at many levels of government.

Once again the Republicans are only the lesser of two evils if you let the issues of homosexuality and abortion control the vote.